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102. Pre-Existance. Part 3

3rd September 1997 by Arthur Eedle

APOCRYPHAL, PSEUDEPIGRAPHICAL AND OTHER WRITINGS

We were brought up in evangelical circles, where any writings OUTSIDE ‘Holy Writ” were considered not only suspect, but even dangerous to read! This applied to the Apocryphal works, found these days in many new editions of the Bible, and accepted by Roman Catholics. Over many years of change and recollection, we have come to see that there are numerous ancient documents that add colour, and often help, in the understanding of Scripture. We are no longer afraid to read them!Origen referred to a work called “The Prayer of Joseph” which sadly is no longer extant, but we do have a quote from it, concerning, first John the Baptist, and then Jacob and his re-naming to Israel. It is as follows, and comes from Origen’s Commentary on John 2:31.

“It will not be out of place to add a notion of our own about John the Baptist. When we read the prophecy of him, Behold, I send my angel before Thy face, etc., we reflected if by chance one of the holy angels being upon service were not sent down as a forerunner of our Saviour. – – – Now if anyone accepts among the Apocrypha current among the Hebrews, what is entitled The Prayer of Joseph, he will derive from it exactly this teaching, expressed in plain terms: that those who from the beginning possessed some special excellence beyond men, and were greatly superior to all other souls, have descended from the estate of Angels into human nature. Jacob at any rate says, ‘For I Jacob that speak unto you, I am also Israel, an Angel of God and a ruling spirit, and Abraham and Isaac were pre-created [PROEKTIZO, a word found only here] before any work.”

(And later the account continues -)

“And I, when I was coming from Mesopotamia of Syria, Uriel fhe Angel of God came forth and said that I had come down to earth and tabernacled among men, and that I was called by name Jacob. He fought with me, and wrestled, and I said ‘Are you not Uriel, the eighth from me, and I am Israel, an Archangel of the power of the Lord, and a captain of captains among thousands among the sons of God? Am I not Israel, the first minister before the face of God?'”

Origen says, “It is likely that if these words were really spoken by Jacob, and therefore recorded, that the incident, ‘He supplanted his brother in the womb’ [Hosea 12:3] happened intelligently.” It may also explain why the Lord said,“Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated” BEFORE either of them were even born.

THE APOCRYPHAL WRITINGS

2 Esdras 4:36-42. “The righteous in the storehouse of souls [i.e. the GUPH or the OTZAR, before mentioned] asked, ‘How long must we stay here? When will the harvest begin, the time when we get our reward?’ And the Archangel Jeremiel answered, ‘As soon as the number of those like yourselves is complete. For the Lord has weighed the world in a balance, and He has measured and numbered the ages; He will move nothing, alter nothing, until the appointed number is achieved.’ – – – “The storehouses of souls in the world below are like the womb. As a woman in travail is impatient to see the end of her labour, so they are impatient to give back all the souls committed to them since time began.” [Doesn’t this remind you of the “souls under the altar” in Revelation?]

2 Esdras 7:12-15.“The Lord answered Ezra, saying, ‘The entrances to this world were made narrow, painful and arduous, few and evil, full of perils and grinding hardship. But the entrances to the greater world are broad and safe, and lead to immortality. All men must therefore enter this narrow and futileexistence, otherwise they can never attain the blessings in store. Why then, Ezra, are you so deeply disturbed at the thought that you are mortal and must die? Why have you not turned your mind to the future instead of the present?'”

A casual reading of the above passage may lead some to cast it on one side, supposing it to contradict the words of our Lord in the sermon on the mount, where He spoke about the narrow gate that leads to life, compared with the broad way that leads to destruction. But the symbolism in Esdras speaks of a different setting to that in the Gospels. Jesus spoke to those who were ALREADY in the world. In Esdras, the narrow entrances were made thus by Adam’s transgression, whereby the souls in the GUPH might tremble at the thought of entering a world of evil. The theme is taken up again in our next reference.

Ecclus.40:1-2 “Hard work is the lot of every man, and a heavy yoke is laid on the sons of Adam, from the day when they come from their mother’s womb until the day of their RETURN TO THE MOTHER OF ALL, troubled thoughts and fears are theirs, and anxious expectation of the day of their death.”

This is parallel to the statement of Job, which must be presented here to provide the connection, rather than leaving it to the next part of this series.

Job.1:21 Job stood up and rent his cloak; then he shaved his head and fell down on the ground, and worshipped, saying,“Naked came I out of my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return thither.”

Commentators have tried to explain Job’s words, knowing that at death no one actually returns to his mother’s womb. The understanding is clear enough in Ecclesiasticus, and may be parallel to Paul’s words in Galatians, where he speaks of the“Jerusalem which is above, the mother of us all.” The mother’s womb from which we are born is not, in these references, that of a single woman on earth, but that of the Great Mother of all human souls, the GUPH, or OTZAR.

Wisdom 8:17-21. [Solomon writes] “When I considered these things in myself, and took thought in my heart how that in kinship unto wisdom is immortality, and in her friendship is good delight, and in the labours of her hands is wealth that fails not, and in assiduous communing with her is understanding, and great renown in having fellowship with her words, I went about seeking how to take her unto myself. Now I was a goodly child, and a good soul fell to my lot; (nay rather, being good, I came into a body undefiled.) But perceiving that I could not otherwise possess wisdom except God gave her to me, – – I pleaded with the Lord – – “[and Solomon then tells how he asked the Lord for the gift of wisdom, as related in the O.T. text.]

Notice here that Solomon speaks of “goodness” prior to birth, but that he realises the need of God’s wisdom to cope with mortal life. Sad indeed was the outcome in his later years.

Baruch 23:4-5 “When Adam sinned and death was decreed against those who were to be born from him, then the number of those to be born was fixed, and for that number a place was prepared where the living might live out their lives, and the dead might be kept in security. Thus until that number is reached; no creature will live again (since my Spirit is the Creator of Life) and Sheol will receive the dead.”

Baruch 29:3 “[when all those spirits have been born into the world] then the Messiah shall begin to be revealed.”

Apocalypse of Abraham 19. Abraham is taken up into heaven and shown various wonders at different levels. In this chapter he says, “And I saw upon the seventh firmament [i.e. the region referred to elsewhere as ARABOTH] upon which I stood a fire widely extended, and light, and DEW, and a multitude of angels, and a power of invisible glory over the Living Ones [i.e. the Cherubim].”

In R.H.Charles‘ footnotes on this section, he mentions the parallel with the Ascension of Isaiah, who spoke about “a wonderful light and angels innumerable.” [Asc.ls.7:7f] These angels are then identified as pre-existent spiritsaccording to the Haggadah, (12b) where in the seventh heaven (ARABOTH) are judgment and righteousness, the treasures of life, peace and blessing, the souls of the departed righteous, the spirits and souls of the yet unborn, the DEW with which God will awake the dead, the Seraphim, the Ophannim [wheels], and Cherubim and other angels of service, and God Himself, seated upon the throne of His glory.

The two mentions of DEW excite some interest here, apart from any other considerations, because the same message comes through in Psalm 110:3 “Thy people [shall offer themselves] willingly in the day of Thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning, thou hast the DEW OF THY YOUTH.” [Maybe BIRTH rather than YOUTH, because the Hebrew is YALAD, normally speaking of birth.] Although in the first instance the words are used of the Lord Himself, at resurrection, they take on a more corporate significance at a later time, when the rest of God’s people are raised. [It should be pointed out that the interpretation of the Hebrew of Psalm 110:3 is a little uncertain,]

Assumption of Moses 1:14 “Accordingly He chose me [Moses] and appointed me [lit. He thought out and invented me] and prepared me from the foundation of the world to be the mediator of His covenant.”

We now come to the Gospel of Thomas, a work that was found at Nag Hammadi in Upper Egypt in 1945,amongst other Gnostic texts. It purports to be dictated by Jesus to His brother Judas Thomas the Twin, founder of the churches of the East, and reveals a Jesus who merges with the wisdom of the Sophists, and with Diogenes, Plato, and Socrates. We suppose this would be enough to turn most Christians away! But our purpose is to bring forward anything and everything that betrays early thinking and understanding connected with our theme – that of pre-existence of the soul. In §50 we read these puzzling words –

Jesus said, “If they say to you, ‘Where have you come from?’ say to them, ‘We have come from the light, from the place where the light came into being by itself, established itself and appeared in their image.’ “

According to the notes accompanying this text, (in the edition by Marvin Meyer which we possess) the language employed is similar to that found in another gnostic work, called The Acts of Thomas, in which there is “The Hymn of the Pearl”[1 08-1 3] but I am afraid we do not have this to quote from. However, another book, called “The Secret Book of John”is quoted by Irenæus [Against Heresies 1.21.5], and refers to  another similar text. The question is asked, and answers given, concerning the interrogation of the soul as it passes through the various spheres of heaven. Apparently the soul is to respond,

“I am a child of the father, the father who is pre-existent, a child moreover in the one who is pre-existent – – I trace my origin from the one who is pre-existent and back to what is my own, from whence I have come.”

Another quote from “The Gospel of Thomas” is in §83-84 Jesus said,

“Images are visible to people, but the light within them is hidden in the image of the father’s light. He will be disclosed, but his image is hidden by his light. When you see your likeness, you are happy. But when you see your images that came into being before you, and that neither die nor become visible, how much you will bear!”

We confess that many of the supposed sayings of the “Jesus” quoted in this work are paradoxical, and difficult of interpretation. That doesn’t make them spurious as such, but it does tend towards scepticism. We are not advocating the adoption of these texts for devotional use, but adducing them for purposes of study only.

By this time, it will have become apparent that pre-existence was a concept well-developed in the inter-testamental period, and because of this, it becomes necessary to ask why. The Jews were not in the habit of taking on board highly lurid and imaginative interpretations of their sacred Scriptures. Anyone who reads the Talmud will see that it is full of minor speculation, and interpretation, but not in the direction of matters of such great import as pre-existence, UNLESS of course they had sufficient reason for so doing.

In our next section we shall investigate the Biblical references, to establish the grounds for this assertion amongst the ancients.

Filed Under: Original Series Tagged With: Human Pre-Existance

About Arthur Eedle

Arthur was born in 1931, and became a Christian in 1948. At London University he gained a 2nd honours degree in Physics. He went on to get a Teaching Diploma, and throughout his career life taught physics in England, Kenya, and Hong Kong. Coupled with his love of science, he was a keen student of Greek and Hebrew, and gave many lectures on Biblical subjects. Read more

The Prophetic Telegraph

1a. Why settle for half the gospel?

2nd April 1986 By Arthur Eedle

1b. The time has almost run it’s course

1st May 1986 By Arthur Eedle

1c. The Apocalypse of Abraham

1st June 1986 By Arthur Eedle

2. The New Bus

1st July 1986 By Arthur Eedle

3. Lifting the mat

1st August 1986 By Arthur Eedle

4. Sleep and Dreams

1st January 1987 By Arthur Eedle

9. The Law

1st January 1987 By Arthur Eedle

10. Atonement

2nd January 1987 By Arthur Eedle

11. Which Temple? Which City?

2nd January 1987 By Arthur Eedle

12. Which Nation?

3rd January 1987 By Arthur Eedle

5. Man’s Sensory Apparatus

1st February 1987 By Arthur Eedle

6. Gods of the market place

1st February 1987 By Arthur Eedle

7. Protocol & Etiquette

1st February 1987 By Arthur Eedle

13. The House of the Soul

1st February 1987 By Arthur Eedle

14. The Fence Makers

1st May 1987 By Arthur Eedle

15. The Fence Breakers

2nd May 1987 By Arthur Eedle

8. Worship

1st June 1987 By Arthur Eedle

20. Every Knee shall Bow

21st March 1988 By Arthur Eedle

22. Behold He Comes!

1st September 1988 By Arthur Eedle

23. Jesus the Firstborn

1st May 1989 By Arthur Eedle

24. An Ancient Scroll is Found

1st June 1989 By Arthur Eedle

26. Discipleship

1st November 1989 By Arthur Eedle

27. A God of Justice

2nd November 1989 By Arthur Eedle

28.Enmity

3rd November 1989 By Arthur Eedle

30. Noah’s Vineyard

1st October 1990 By Arthur Eedle

31. God’s Pleasure

1st December 1990 By Arthur Eedle

32. Chasing the Glory

2nd December 1990 By Arthur Eedle

33. Glory

3rd December 1990 By Arthur Eedle

34. Money Lovers

1st January 1991 By Arthur Eedle

36. On Your Toes!

1st February 1991 By Arthur Eedle

37. Flesh & Spirit

2nd February 1991 By Arthur Eedle

38. Babylon & Jerusalem

3rd February 1991 By Arthur Eedle

39. The Human Will

4th February 1991 By Arthur Eedle

40. The Mirror

1st July 1991 By Arthur Eedle

41. The Image

2nd July 1991 By Arthur Eedle

42. I Believe!

1st December 1991 By Arthur Eedle

43. Chasing Shadows

1st September 1992 By Arthur Eedle

44. National Identity

2nd September 1992 By Arthur Eedle

45. The “Full” Gospel

3rd September 1992 By Arthur Eedle

46. Confession and Torment!

1st October 1992 By Arthur Eedle

47. “Too Hard”

2nd October 1992 By Arthur Eedle

48. Freewill

1st November 1992 By Arthur Eedle

49. Vengeance

2nd November 1992 By Arthur Eedle

50. The Golden Section

1st January 1993 By Arthur Eedle

51. The Dark Day of May 1780

2nd January 1993 By Arthur Eedle

53. The Power of Thought

1st February 1993 By Arthur Eedle

16. Hidden Treasures of Genesis. Part 1

1st July 1994 By Arthur Eedle

54. A Gross Exaggeration

1st July 1994 By Arthur Eedle

17. Hidden Treasures of Genesis. Part 2.

1st August 1994 By Arthur Eedle

55. Millenial Kings and Priests

1st August 1994 By Arthur Eedle

56. Is This the Antichrist?

1st September 1994 By Arthur Eedle

57. The New Blindness

2nd September 1994 By Arthur Eedle

58. Exclusivism

3rd September 1994 By Arthur Eedle

59. Armageddon

1st October 1994 By Arthur Eedle

60. Perplexity, Confusion & Polarisation

1st November 1994 By Arthur Eedle

61. In Praise of Little Things

1st January 1995 By Arthur Eedle

62. Character Reference

2nd January 1995 By Arthur Eedle

64. The Exaltation of Christ

1st March 1995 By Arthur Eedle

65. Comparison and Contrast

1st July 1995 By Arthur Eedle

66. Adam and Eve

1st September 1995 By Arthur Eedle

67. “The Big Noise”

2nd September 1995 By Arthur Eedle

68. The Evil Eye

3rd September 1995 By Arthur Eedle

69. “Christian Theatre”

4th September 1995 By Arthur Eedle

71. In Pursuit of Excellence

1st October 1995 By Arthur Eedle

72. Capernaum, Bethsaida & Chorazin

1st November 1995 By Arthur Eedle

74. The Secrets of the Lord

1st December 1995 By Arthur Eedle

75. Caterpillar Magic

2nd December 1995 By Arthur Eedle

76. Amazing Historical Evidence

3rd December 1995 By Arthur Eedle

77. The Tin Islands

1st January 1996 By Arthur Eedle

77a. The Ancient Mining of Tin

1st January 1996 By Arthur Eedle

79. Sodom’s Great Secret

1st January 1996 By Arthur Eedle

80a. “A Precious Cornerstone”

1st February 1996 By Arthur Eedle

80b. Nature’s Hidden Model

2nd February 1996 By Arthur Eedle

80c. Further Secrets Revealed

3rd February 1996 By Arthur Eedle

81. Toils and Burdens

4th February 1996 By Arthur Eedle

82. The Sabbath Day and Sunday

5th February 1996 By Arthur Eedle

83. The “Jewish Sabbath”

1st March 1996 By Arthur Eedle

83a. About “Jots and Tittles”

2nd March 1996 By Arthur Eedle

84. About the Sabbath Day and Sunday

2nd April 1996 By Arthur Eedle

85. Contempt

1st May 1996 By Arthur Eedle

86. The Crowning Day. Part 1

1st June 1996 By Arthur Eedle

87. The Crowning Day. Part 2

2nd June 1996 By Arthur Eedle

88. The Enthronement

3rd June 1996 By Arthur Eedle

89. The Ark of the Covenant

4th June 1996 By Arthur Eedle

90. The 1979 Prophecy

5th June 1996 By Arthur Eedle

90a. The Biography of Jane Leade, 1623 – 1704

6th June 1996 By Arthur Eedle

78. The Ark of the Covenant

1st August 1996 By Arthur Eedle

91. The Ron Wyatt Tour of Britain

1st November 1996 By Arthur Eedle

93. Lucifer’s Glorious Beginning

2nd November 1996 By Arthur Eedle

94. Lucifer’s Fall from Glory

3rd November 1996 By Arthur Eedle

95. Lucifers History

4th November 1996 By Arthur Eedle

96. The Trinity

1st January 1997 By Arthur Eedle

99. “Just a Wearyin’ For You”

1st June 1997 By Arthur Eedle

100. Pre-Existance. Part 1

1st September 1997 By Arthur Eedle

101. Pre-Existance. Part 2

2nd September 1997 By Arthur Eedle

102. Pre-Existance. Part 3

3rd September 1997 By Arthur Eedle

103. Pre-Existance. Part 4.

4th September 1997 By Arthur Eedle

104. Pre-Existance. Part 5

5th September 1997 By Arthur Eedle

105. Secret Numerical Codes in Biblical Hebrew and Greek

1st October 1997 By Arthur Eedle

106. An Everlasting Problem

1st October 1997 By Arthur Eedle

107. Pre-Existance. Part 6

1st February 1998 By Arthur Eedle

108. El-Shaddai

1st March 1998 By Arthur Eedle

110. Triangle Numbers

2nd March 1998 By Arthur Eedle

111. The Secret of 153

3rd March 1998 By Arthur Eedle

112. The Secret of 276

4th March 1998 By Arthur Eedle

113. “In the Beginning”

5th March 1998 By Arthur Eedle

114. Good and Evil

1st March 1999 By Arthur Eedle

115. Quietism

2nd April 1999 By Arthur Eedle

116. Meditate on these things

3rd April 1999 By Arthur Eedle

Article Series

  • All our Yesterdays (30)
  • Before He comes (13)
  • God's Spoken Word (37)
  • Mysteries of Science & Faith (8)
  • New Series (101)
  • Newsletter (3)
  • Original Series (109)
  • Prophecy considerations (5)
  • Recognising the Hand of Judgment (33)
  • Resurrection and Change (16)
  • Seekers Corner (14)
  • Simple Statements on Serious Subjects (6)
  • The City of God (18)
  • The Millennial Octave (23)
  • The Restitution Times (22)
  • The Song of Solomon (6)
  • The Standard (19)
  • The Wayside Pulpit (107)
  • The Wayside Pulpit 2015 (96)
  • The Wellspring (101)
  • The Wellspring 2017 (55)

Index of Topics

Arthur & Rosalind Eedle's Personal Testimonies Discipleship Expository Items Good and Evil Human Pre-Existance Jane Leade. Philadelphian Numerology in the Bible Quotations from other Authors Resurrection and the Change Ron Wyatt. Archaeology Science Topics The Kingdom of God the Millennium and the Return of Christ The Sabbath Day Universal Reconcilliation

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