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108. The Great Cloud of Witnesses

19th December 2000 by Arthur Eedle

Hebrews 12:1  Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us.

The writer to the Hebrews had just finished his amazing summary of Old Testament saints, who had endured such hardships, based on their testimony that God had spoken to them, which became the trigger for faith and action. Using this, he applied the lesson to his then present time. In doing so, he referred to the Olympic Games, where a vast concourse of people met to watch the events, as indeed they still do today.

He said, in effect, “You are surrounded by all these worthies, and many others as well, within a huge heavenly open-air theatre, watching your progress in the arena of life down here, urging you on by their prayers, that you also may become a part of that august company, “the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect.” (verse 23) Consider all aspects of your earthly walk as though you were partaking in the Olympic Games, cast off all unnecessary attachments to the world, have done with the sins of your youth, and reach out for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. (Phil.3.14)”

This is indeed a timely lesson for today’s Christian youth, those just entering the life of faith, having heard the words of their Saviour and Lord. But in this article I would like to concentrate on the “great cloud of witnesses”. It is yet another part of our great heritage in Christ that has almost been forgotten. I believe it is time for the church to investigate the matter afresh. Here then is a brief history lesson.

Some time ago I wrote about the “State of the Dead” (WP79), affirming my belief that the spirit “flies away” and is conscious in the presence of the Lord and other believers. This was to reject the dispensationalists’ teaching about “soul sleep.”  Here we see a great cloud of witnesses, who are far from being asleep. They are watching our progress from a higher vantage point. They constitute the “general assembly and church of the firstborn” amongst whom there are some spirits who are “just men made perfect.” It is my considered opinion, as it was in the early church, that these saints are not just spectators, but enter into the contest by praying for those of us “down here”, that we should be encouraged in our “wrestling against principalities and powers of darkness” and although the battle may be strong, in the end, “having done all things, to stand.” (Eph.6.12-13)

It is a great comfort to know that, even in circumstances of great privation, perhaps even in solitary confinement for one’s faith, there is no such thing as loneliness. The cloud of witnesses is always there, in addition to the constant help of the Holy Spirit.

In the early church there was a recognition of this, and furthermore it was considered a “two way process”. Even as they prayed from the Higher Place, so the pilgrims on earth prayed for them, that they may eventually become “just men made perfect.”

Now I know I shall be treading on dangerous ground. Many evangelicals would be enraged to hear that we might “pray for the dead”. “It’s a heretical Roman Catholic dogma with no Scriptural warrant,” they will say. But I would ask my readers to bear with me whilst I quote from a number of sources to learn about this long forgotten custom and practice.

“The Lord give mercy to the house of Onesiphorus; for he oft refreshed me, and was not ashamed of my chain, but when he was in Rome he sought me out very diligently, and found me. The Lord grant unto him that he may find mercy of the Lord in that day; and in how many things he ministered unto me at Ephesus, thou knowest very well.” (2 Timothy 1:16-18. It is considered by most commentators that Onesiphorus had either died, or been martyred, and Paul was praying for him. He mentions his ‘house’ again in 4:19, but there is no mention of Onespihorus himself.)

“In regard to the practice, “Prayer for the dead”, it must be remembered that the future was, throughout this [early Christian] period unclouded by the gloomy speculations of theologians. The state beyond is plainly viewed in the Catacombs with serene cheerfulness, as a continuation and development of the present spiritual life.”  (History of the Christian Church, by Foakes-Jackson, Appendix B, page 612.)

“There are many such references in the inscriptions of the Catacombs, some of which may be assigned to the 2nd century. And there is a continuous tradition of such prayers in the ancient Liturgies, in which prayers are offered for those who rest in Christ that they may have peace and light, rest and refreshment; that they may live in God (or, in Christ); that they may be partakers of the joyful resurrection, and of the inheritance of the Kingdom of God. It is clear that such intercessions date from the beginning of the 2nd century, and that they represent quite faithfully the general tenor of the teaching of the ApostolicChurch on the Future State. . . . . The central thought of the Apostolic Church with regard to their relationship to the faithful departed is summed up in the Epistle to the Hebrews in the words, ‘Ye are come . . . to the spirits of just men made perfect,’ also described as a ‘great cloud of witnesses.’ They are living and they are interested in both our faith and conduct, and the least response of our loyalty to them will naturally find expression on our prayers for their peace and progress.”  (Taken from an article on Prayer, in Hastings’ Bible Dictionary, by A.E.Burn. Volume 4, page 258)

“On the proper day of the year we make our offerings for the dead and for the ‘birthdays’ [of martyrs]” (Translation of Tertullian’s ‘Oblationes pro defunctis, pro natalitiis, annua die facimus.’ De Corona Mil. 3.4 XXXVIII A)  It was because of this practice that in later years books were written such as The Roman Martyrology, and The Greek Martyrology, where catalogues of saints were listed, together with brief mentions of their works, and their ‘birthdays’, i.e. the day of their martyrdom.

Tertullian, (A.D. 160 – 215) in de Monogamia 10, describes a Christian widow as one who “prays for his [i.e. her husband’s] soul, and requests refreshment for him in the meanwhile, and fellowship in the first resurrection, and she offers [sacrifice] on the anniversaries of his falling asleep.” Notice here particularly that Tertullian uses the expression “falling asleep” of one who is far from being unconscious of his surroundings in the heavens. Hence the expression is used only from the viewpoint of an earth-bound observer. The dead body of a person looks very similar to that of a sleeper.

“It is possible that such prayers [for the dead] arose out of the confused ideas over the consequences of postbaptismal sin, which caused much debate in the church of Tertullian’s time. One suggested solution to this problem was the idea of purgatorial discipline after death, which was discussed at Alexandria in the early 3rd century and spread in the West through the powerful advocacy of Augustine and Gregory the Great. Meanwhile, at Jerusalem in the mid-fourth century the Eucharist came to be regarded as a propitiatory sacrifice which could be offered on behalf of both the living and the dead.”  (Dictionary of the Christian Church, p.797, article on “Prayers for the Dead” by John Tiller.)

In later times, the Roman Catholic Church instituted November 2nd as “All Souls Day,” on which special prayers were to be made for the dead. This came about, according to tradition, in the following way. “A pilgrim, returning from the Holy Land, was compelled by a storm to land on a rocky island, where he found a hermit, who told him that among the cliffs was an opening into the infernal regions through which huge flames ascended, and where the groans of the tormented were distinctly audible. The pilgrim told Odilo, Abbot of Cluny [in mid-France] of this; and the Abbot appointed the day following, which wasNovember 2nd AD 993, to be set apart for the benefit of souls in purgatory.” (Brewer’s Dictionary of Phrase and Fable, page 32, article “All Souls’ Day”.) A rather fabulous story, which reminds us of a more recent concoction about the Russians drilling into the earth, mentioned in WP95.

“In England, Cranmer’s second Prayer Book (1552) abolished all prayers for the dead, but a thanksgiving for the faithful departed was added to the intercessions in 1662. . . . A form of prayer to include the unfaithful departed has been incorporated in the 1971 Series 3 Order for Holy Communion.” (From John Tiller’s article, mentioned above.)

“Apparently I have been myself guilty of introducing another red herring by mentioning devotions to saints. I didn’t in the least want to go off into a discussion on that subject. There is a clear theological defence for it; if you can ask for the prayers of the living, why should you not ask for the prayers of the dead?” (C.S.Lewis, “Letters to Malcolm”, Chapter 3)

“Of course I pray for the dead. The action is so spontaneous, so all but inevitable, that only the most compulsive theological case against it would deter me. And I hardly know how the rest of my prayers would survive if those for the dead were forbidden. At our age the majority of those we love best are dead. What sort of intercourse with God could I have if what I love best were unmentionable to Him? . . . . . It will be answered ‘To pray for them presupposes that progress and difficulty are still possible. In fact you are bringing in something like Purgatory.’ Well I suppose I am. Though even in Heaven some perpetual increase of beatitude, reached by a continually more ecstatic self-surrender, without the possibility of failure but not perhaps without its own ardours and exertions – for delight also has its severities and steep ascents, as lovers know – might be supposed.”  (C.S.Lewis, “Letters to Malcolm, chapter 20)

Many of C.S.Lewis’s thought patterns on Christian themes were introduced through George MacDonald’s writings. “I have never concealed the fact that I regard him [MacDonald] as my master; indeed, I fancy I have never written a book in which I did not quote from him.” In respect of the subject now under discussion, the major quote comes from MacDonald’s book, “Thomas Wingfold, Curate” 1876. In this book we find a conversation between Polwarth, a stunted individual, plagued by asthma, but full of vital faith, and Leopold, a dying man. Here is the section in which the subject emerges. (Chapter 33. ‘The Bloodhound’, page 449)

L. “I wonder what I shall do the first thing when I find myself out – out, I mean, in the air, you know.”
P. “It does seem strange we should know so little of what is in some sense so near us! that such a thin veil should be so impenetrable! I fancy the first thing I should do would be to pray.”

L. “Then you think we shall pray there – wherever it is?”

P. “It seems to me as if I should go up in prayer the moment I got out of this dungeon of a body. I am wrong to call it a dungeon, for it lies open to God’s fair world, and the loveliness of the earth comes into me through eyes and ears just as well as into you. Still, it is a pleasant thought that it will drop off me some day. But for prayer – I think all will pray there more than here – in their hearts and souls I mean.”
L. “Then where would be the harm if you were to pray for me after I am gone?”

P. “Nowhere that I know. It were indeed a strange thing if I might pray for you up to the moment when you ceased to breathe, and therewith an iron gate closed between us, and I could not even reach you through the ear of the Father of us both! It is a faithless doctrine, for it supposes either that those parted from us can do without prayer, the thing Jesus Himself could not do without, seeing it was His highest joy, or that God has so parted those who are in Him from these who are in Him, that there is no longer any relation , even with God, common to them. The thing to me takes the form of an absurdity.”

Let me conclude this little study with a personal word of reflection and an incident of very recent occurrence, of a sort that had hitherto never transpired in my Christian experience. For some years now I have been in the habit of praying for certain Christian friends who have departed this life, as and when I feel the Lord is bringing them to mind. In doing so, I have felt a warmth of fellowship across the dimensional divide, and it has helped me to focus on the “great cloud of witnesses” that surround us all the time. I can wholly concur with Lewis and MacDonald, that to be denied the practice of such prayer would create an artificial barrier between heaven and earth that God never intended.

A short while ago a very dear Christian friend of near fifty years standing, died suddenly, and I felt a distinct loss. That was quite a natural reaction. Almost immediately the news was telephoned through by his daughter, I went to prayer on his behalf. I did so as an automatic response to the fact of his death, but also for quite a different reason. This friend had been a vigorous defender of “soul sleep.” He never expected to wake up until the resurrection. We had discussed the matter on numerous occasions, and had always concluded with a stalemate, though in a very friendly manner. I knew that he would now find himself in acute embarrassment as his spirit went to be with the Lord. It would be a shock to his system. He would need to adjust, and to adjust rapidly. I knew that he needed my prayers. I asked the Lord to send angelic assistance to him, gently to re-orientate his frame of reference, so that he would have joy in his newfound environment. Afterwards, I felt distinctly that my prayers had been answered.

A few weeks went by. From time to time I continued to pray for my friend. And then, one night, just as I was settling down to sleep, I had a most intensely brilliant vision. There before my eyes, in the darkness of the room, was my friend’s face. It was bright, and he was smiling broadly, in fashion such as I had witnessed many times before. I watched, entranced, wondering whether the Lord was about to convey something to me. But to my utmost surprise, my friend spoke to me. “Hello, Arthur!  So you were right after all. I’ve been learning a thing or two since being here!”  At this point, I sat up in bed and said, “Lord, this is not allowed! What’s happening?”  But the Lord spoke gently to me. “Fear not. [. . .] asked permission to speak to you and I have granted it. Please hear what he has to say.”  The only other message that followed was – “The Lord has asked me to pray for you. And now I must go.” And the vision slowly faded, as his face still wore that same winsome smile.

The reason for my interjection was based on the belief that we are not allowed personal contact across the dimensional divide, but our fellowship must only be by prayer, each way. Hence the shock to my system. And by telling this tale, I am not advocating that any child of God should try to make trans-dimensional contact. I believe the Lord allowed this to happen to me for a very specific purpose, and maybe by relating the occurrence here, it will help someone who reads these lines. I sincerely hope so.

But above all, I respectfully urge those who have read this article to re-asses their thinking about prayers for the dead. I believe it to be just another of those areas of belief that the devil has delighted in shutting down to the detriment of true fellowship between members of the “church of the firstborn”, both here and there. My wife and I would very much value any comments or experiences from our readers on this question. Please write to us.

 

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About Arthur Eedle

Arthur was born in 1931, and became a Christian in 1948. At London University he gained a 2nd honours degree in Physics. He went on to get a Teaching Diploma, and throughout his career life taught physics in England, Kenya, and Hong Kong. Coupled with his love of science, he was a keen student of Greek and Hebrew, and gave many lectures on Biblical subjects. Read more

The Wayside Pulpit

1. Introduction

11th May 1999 By Arthur Eedle

2. Rave Music

13th May 1999 By Arthur Eedle

3. “I know you”

13th June 1999 By Arthur Eedle

4. God of all men

15th June 1999 By Arthur Eedle

5. Truth and Error

21st June 1999 By Arthur Eedle

6. Ruth Prince

2nd July 1999 By Arthur Eedle

7. Talking Trees

3rd July 1999 By Arthur Eedle

8. Dangers of rock music

6th July 1999 By Arthur Eedle

9. True Worship

9th July 1999 By Arthur Eedle

10. A wonderful building

11th July 1999 By Arthur Eedle

11. Traits of the self-life

15th July 1999 By Arthur Eedle

12. 100 Pianos

28th July 1999 By Arthur Eedle

13. “Much more” & “No more”

5th August 1999 By Arthur Eedle

14. Evangelism and the second advent

8th August 1999 By Arthur Eedle

15. Tribute to Ron Wyatt

10th August 1999 By Arthur Eedle

16. The opening of the Kansas Senate in the USA

12th August 1999 By Arthur Eedle

17. The face of feminism

14th August 1999 By Arthur Eedle

18. The second coming of Elijah

19th August 1999 By Arthur Eedle

19. Mellowing with age

21st August 1999 By Arthur Eedle

20. The rationality of the Christian faith

24th August 1999 By Arthur Eedle

21. The first and the lost

28th August 1999 By Arthur Eedle

22. The coming of the Lord

2nd September 1999 By Arthur Eedle

23. “I am coming tomorrow!”

4th September 1999 By Arthur Eedle

24. Living stones for a spiritual temple

7th September 1999 By Arthur Eedle

25. Rosh Hashana – the feast of trumpets

10th September 1999 By Arthur Eedle

26. A Tribute to the Rock-Badger’s Family

14th September 1999 By Arthur Eedle

27. The Cursed Fig Tree

17th September 1999 By Arthur Eedle

28. “Tell me the old, old story”

19th September 1999 By Arthur Eedle

29. A Sovereign Work

22nd September 1999 By Arthur Eedle

30. Today is the Secret of Tomorrow

24th September 1999 By Arthur Eedle

31. Neatly Packaged Boxes and Illuminated Signposts

1st October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

32. “In danger of hell fire”

3rd October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

33. The Silent Witness

5th October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

34. The Lesson of Amos

8th October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

35. The Great Tribulation

11th October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

36. “Until”

14th October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

37. The Unnerving Power of Tradition

18th October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

37a. The Explorer

19th October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

38. The Dart Family

22nd October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

39. “Nothing new under the Sun”

31st October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

40. “When the Stars begin to fall”

1st November 1999 By Arthur Eedle

41. The Coming of the Christ

3rd November 1999 By Arthur Eedle

42. “Like unto Moses.”

6th November 1999 By Arthur Eedle

43. “Sweet Revenge!”

7th November 1999 By Arthur Eedle

44. The Second Coming

14th November 1999 By Arthur Eedle

45. Forgiveness & Punishment

23rd November 1999 By Arthur Eedle

47. The Pattern and Purpose of the Cherubim

2nd December 1999 By Arthur Eedle

48. The Unforgivable Sin

4th December 1999 By Arthur Eedle

49. Japhah, the Beautiful One

5th December 1999 By Arthur Eedle

50. Resurrection by Judgement

11th December 1999 By Arthur Eedle

51. “The Saviour of Mankind”

17th December 1999 By Arthur Eedle

52. “Bad Associations corrupt Good Customs”

29th December 1999 By Arthur Eedle

53. Fingerprints and Irises

2nd January 2000 By Arthur Eedle

54. Cats, Dogs and Philodendrons

4th January 2000 By Arthur Eedle

55. The Second Eve

15th January 2000 By Arthur Eedle

56. The Illuminati

22nd January 2000 By Arthur Eedle

57. The Dark Day of May 19th 1780

24th January 2000 By Arthur Eedle

58. Hidden Significances

26th January 2000 By Arthur Eedle

59. “Before”

5th February 2000 By Arthur Eedle

60. When “shall” becomes “will”

10th February 2000 By Arthur Eedle

61. The Death of the Husband

13th February 2000 By Arthur Eedle

63. St. Paul the Abortion

25th February 2000 By Arthur Eedle

64. The Moral Dilemma

27th February 2000 By Arthur Eedle

65. The Moral Dilemma. A Personal Answer

1st March 2000 By Arthur Eedle

66. The Moral Dilemma. A Second Answer

4th March 2000 By Arthur Eedle

67. The Joy of our Salvation

11th March 2000 By Arthur Eedle

68. The love of God

16th March 2000 By Arthur Eedle

69. The Windows of the Soul

28th March 2000 By Arthur Eedle

70. Vision & Prophecy

2nd April 2000 By Arthur Eedle

71. Confusion

12th April 2000 By Arthur Eedle

72. Creation’s Vanity

18th April 2000 By Arthur Eedle

73. “Friend, move up higher!”

2nd May 2000 By Arthur Eedle

74. The Last Generation

25th May 2000 By Arthur Eedle

75. The House of the Soul

29th May 2000 By Arthur Eedle

76. The Opening of the Sheath

1st June 2000 By Arthur Eedle

77. Possession

2nd June 2000 By Arthur Eedle

78. Ancestral Bondage

5th June 2000 By Arthur Eedle

79. The State of the Dead

7th June 2000 By Arthur Eedle

80. Professor William Barclay

10th June 2000 By Arthur Eedle

81. The Unacceptable Face of Universalism

12th June 2000 By Arthur Eedle

82. No Escape from the Fire

21st June 2000 By Arthur Eedle

83. My Help

22nd June 2000 By Arthur Eedle

84. Our Stories

27th June 2000 By Arthur Eedle

85. Filling up that which is lacking

9th July 2000 By Arthur Eedle

86. Road Rage

15th July 2000 By Arthur Eedle

87. Immanuel

19th July 2000 By Arthur Eedle

88. Daughters of Thunder

27th July 2000 By Arthur Eedle

89. Casting off all Restraint

1st August 2000 By Arthur Eedle

90. Food, glorious Food!

3rd August 2000 By Arthur Eedle

91. The Kindly Laws of the Old Testament

7th August 2000 By Arthur Eedle

92. Resurrection

2nd September 2000 By Arthur Eedle

93. More about Resurrection

15th September 2000 By Arthur Eedle

94. “With what body do they come?”

22nd September 2000 By Arthur Eedle

95. One Helluva Hole

9th October 2000 By Arthur Eedle

96. A Whale of a Tale

10th October 2000 By Arthur Eedle

97. The Hallelujah Chorus

11th October 2000 By Arthur Eedle

98. “It never even entered my mind.”

16th October 2000 By Arthur Eedle

99. A Passionate Plea for Truth

18th October 2000 By Arthur Eedle

100. Warfare in the Heavenlies

20th October 2000 By Arthur Eedle

101. “The Lamb and Flag”

27th October 2000 By Arthur Eedle

102. Souls of men

1st November 2000 By Arthur Eedle

103. Sacrifice

4th November 2000 By Arthur Eedle

106. For whom did Christ die?

16th December 2000 By Arthur Eedle

107. “I cannot tell . . . but this I know.”

18th December 2000 By Arthur Eedle

108. The Great Cloud of Witnesses

19th December 2000 By Arthur Eedle

109. The law of circularity

10th January 2001 By Arthur Eedle

110. James Relly & John Murray

13th January 2001 By Arthur Eedle

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