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66. The Moral Dilemma. A Second Answer

4th March 2000 by Arthur Eedle

Jonah 3:10 – 4:1  “And God saw the works (of Nineveh), that they turned from their evil way, and God changed His mind concerning the evil that He said He would do to them, and He did it not.  But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.”Within these two verses we have something of the present problem. The character of God comes through very clearly in the context of Nineveh, that repentance brings much joy in heaven. But this is not always pleasurable to man, who would rather see the “rotten so-and-sos” perish. In Jonah this was most reprehensible, simply because he knew  the character of God. “Was not this my saying when I was in my own country? That’s why I fled to Tarshish, because I knew that You were a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of a great kindness, always ready to change Your mind (when men repent.)” v.2. But the stubborn prophet would not yield to the divine mind. He asked for his life to be taken. “Are you doing the right thing, being angry?” asked the Lord.

Jonah had known of the Lord’s mercy from reading Exodus 34:6-7. “The Lord, the Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in lovingkindness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity, transgression and sin, and who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.”  Please don’t misunderstand the second part of the Lord’s statement. It doesn’t contradict the first part. The evil that spreads down through the generations from father to son to grandson, was said to be halted, no later than the fourth generation. In God’s mercy He forbids the proliferation of evil beyond that, but always responds immediately to the first sign of repentance, followed by abundant forgiveness.

Man has, through the centuries and millennia, been responsible for the most atrocious and bestial behaviour, taking delight in watching pain as he tortured fellow human beings within his power. One of the most painful of all afflictions is that of burns to the flesh. In O.T. days it was the practice for some to “pass their children through the fire to (the god) Moloch”. This practice was strictly forbidden by the Lord in Lev. 18:21, but there were those who took no notice of the command. Twice in Jeremiah (7:31, and 19:5) the Lord conveyed His extreme displeasure in these words:- “which thing never entered my head.” In other words such atrocities are unthinkable to the mind and heart of God.

In the light of these poignant words, “never entered my head”, how is it possible for anyone to accuse God of casting countless millions of people into a lake of fire, and there tormenting them for ever and ever? Are we going to believe what God said of Himself and His character in Exodus 34? Or is He a monster, one who is capricious, variable, saying one thing and doing the opposite? I must plead seriously with my readers in this respect, because the character of God is NOT changeable, and we know it, don’t we? There is no shadow of turning with Him. “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.” (James 1:17)

Returning to the subject of the two sets of scriptures quoted in the first of these three papers, the first set, reflecting total victory, or universal reconciliation, fits the character of God like glove to hand. The words are straightforward, not allowing of any misunderstanding as to their meaning.   But the second set, if reviewed rapidly, shows distinct signs of employing picture language, figurative expressions, which need to be unravelled to know what the authors intended. We find words such as “destruction”, “torment”, “for ever and ever”, and “lake of fire and brimstone”. May I make the following suggestions?

1. The word “destruction” in Scripture may be seen as equivalent to death, but not ordinary death, but death by violence, untimely death, death by catastrophe, and so on. I cannot find any reference where it signifies the utter destruction of beings God has created. Indeed, one may ask pertinently, why didn’t God “destroy” Satan at the beginning, thereby saving the world from 6000 years of the misery and bloodshed he has caused? What was the purpose of allowing him to continue existing, if ultimately he is destined to a lake of fire for ever?  The Book of Revelation personifies “destruction” as Apollyon. The name is NOT applicable to the Lord.

2. Torment is a word that originally signified a “touchstone”, whereby things were tested as to their genuineness and  worth. Later it took on more of its present meaning. But if someone is “tormented” in the lake of fire, why should it be assumed that he is being continually prodded by a demon wielding a three-pronged fork? Such imagery may be found in mediaeval paintings, but only confuses rather than enlightens. Consider the alternative. A man has spent a very wicked life, abusing Christians, and blaspheming God. Suddenly he undergoes a “Damascus road experience.” Who does the tormenting? Will he not spend his days being inwardly tormented  by the remembrance of his former life? Would not the apostle Paul have had such inner torment? I think his letters bear that out. And if this interpretation is correct, then it indicates the onset of torment as the beginning of the process of change, of reconciliation, of restitution, of new life, rather than a revolting scene that God Himself could never have conjured up. It would “never have entered His mind.”

3. As to the time factor, many have struggled with the phrase “for ever and ever,” and have found that it does not carry the message of infinity of time, in fact such a concept would not have been present in oriental thinking 2000 years ago. But whatever the expression means, (and the figure of speech has not yet, I think, been fully understood,) it cannot mean “for ever” as we understand the words today. Furthermore, if the concept of “torment” mentioned above is indicative of the beginning of a person’s repentance, why should it be construed as lasting for ever? Did it with Paul? Didn’t the mercy and forgiveness of God fill his soul with such flood-waters of wonder that it eventually washed away all traces of torment? Are there not others by the score who would identify with that?

4. The lake of fire and sulphur is just a lake, not an ocean. The concept of 95% of humankind, together with all the fallen angels being in it, would require an ocean. So the expression tends towards the opposite view, in other words that 95% of all creation is excluded from the lake of fire, and only a very small proportion assigned to it. Who are they? Presumably the most ardently wicked, obstinately resistant individuals, who withstood God’s grace to a degree that defies logic. But in accordance with all that has been said above, I can envisage this lake of fire being the agent to burn away all that is offensive to God,after such wicked people come to know the Lord and accepted His grace shown on the cross. (In Greek mythology, fire and sulphur were used to cleanse places that had been subject to plague, as, for example, in Homer’s Odyssey)

Finally then, I see all the second set of verses as a depiction of a purging process, a refining, for those whose history has been obstinately evil. Paul’s experiences listed in Acts and his letters bear this out. I believe he went through his own fire. The Lord said at the outset, through Ananias, “I will show Saul how great things he must suffer for my name’s sake.” (Acts 9:16) Later, Paul reviewed his experience in these words, “In labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths often, of the Jews five times I received 39 stripes, thrice I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, I have spent a night and a day in the deep, in journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by my own countrymen, in perils by the Gentiles, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren, in weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness, – – -.” (2 Cor.11:23-27) He had to learn that “Whatever a man sows, that shall he also reap.” And that “there is no respect of persons with God.” In all such respects, the righteousness of God is apparent, “by no means clearing the guilty”, and yet at all times seen to be working towards the ultimate “restitution of all things spoken by the prophets.”

In all such struggles as these, to attain a clear understanding of problem Scriptures, I have used God’s character as the anvil on which to hammer out an understanding; His mercy and righteousness as a lodestone to guide through unknown territory, and the writings of the early Christian Fathers show a similar struggle, to reach the same conclusion. Origen finally concluded, “He who despises the purification of the word of God, and the doctrine of the Gospel, only keeps himself for dreadful and penal purifications afterwards; that so as the fire of hell may purge him in torments whom neither apostolical doctrine nor gospel preaching has cleansed, according to that which is written of being ‘purified by fire’. But how long this purification which is wrought out by penal fire shall endure, or for how many periods of ages it shall torment sinners, He only knows to whom all judgment is committed by the Father.”  (Commentary to Romans, Book 8, chapter 9) And with regard to the Devil himself, Origen said, “When it is said that the last enemy shall be destroyed it is not to be understood as meaning that his substance, which is God’s creation, perishes, but that his purpose and hostile will perishes, for this does not come from God but from himself. Therefore his destruction means not his ceasing to exist, but ceasing to be an enemy, and ceasing to be death. Nothing is impossible to Omnipotence; there is nothing that cannot be healed by its Maker. The Creator made all things in order that they might exist, and if things were made to exist, they cannot become non-existent.” De Principiis  3.6, and 5)

George MacDonald, the great 19th century Christian writer, put it this way, “Annihilation itself is no death to evil. Only good where evil was, is evil dead. An evil thing must live with its evil until it chooses to be good. That alone is the slaying of evil.”(Lilith, page 153, Lion paperback edition.)

Finally, the most glorious truth of all. So that God could reconcile all creation back to Himself, He provided the Way, He came Himself and gave Himself to be murdered and sacrificed so that every part of His creation will, one day see Him lifted up on that cross, and will love Him.  No reconciliation could happen without God Himself providing the means. Psalm  103:12-14 says, “He removes our transgressions as far as the east is from the west. He remembers that we are dust.  Like as a Father pities his children, so the Lord pities those who fear Him.”  Satan caused a tragedy to happen to God’s beautiful creation, but our Creator God would not let it continue indefinitely, He, in His great love provided the way back to Himself, and one day all beings will have their eyes opened to just how much our heavenly Father loves us. By a look at the Crucified One, Jesus will draw all men to Himself. As in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive. (John 12:32, 1 Cor.15:22)

 

Filed Under: The Wayside Pulpit Tagged With: Universal Reconcilliation

About Arthur Eedle

Arthur was born in 1931, and became a Christian in 1948. At London University he gained a 2nd honours degree in Physics. He went on to get a Teaching Diploma, and throughout his career life taught physics in England, Kenya, and Hong Kong. Coupled with his love of science, he was a keen student of Greek and Hebrew, and gave many lectures on Biblical subjects. Read more

The Wayside Pulpit

1. Introduction

11th May 1999 By Arthur Eedle

2. Rave Music

13th May 1999 By Arthur Eedle

3. “I know you”

13th June 1999 By Arthur Eedle

4. God of all men

15th June 1999 By Arthur Eedle

5. Truth and Error

21st June 1999 By Arthur Eedle

6. Ruth Prince

2nd July 1999 By Arthur Eedle

7. Talking Trees

3rd July 1999 By Arthur Eedle

8. Dangers of rock music

6th July 1999 By Arthur Eedle

9. True Worship

9th July 1999 By Arthur Eedle

10. A wonderful building

11th July 1999 By Arthur Eedle

11. Traits of the self-life

15th July 1999 By Arthur Eedle

12. 100 Pianos

28th July 1999 By Arthur Eedle

13. “Much more” & “No more”

5th August 1999 By Arthur Eedle

14. Evangelism and the second advent

8th August 1999 By Arthur Eedle

15. Tribute to Ron Wyatt

10th August 1999 By Arthur Eedle

16. The opening of the Kansas Senate in the USA

12th August 1999 By Arthur Eedle

17. The face of feminism

14th August 1999 By Arthur Eedle

18. The second coming of Elijah

19th August 1999 By Arthur Eedle

19. Mellowing with age

21st August 1999 By Arthur Eedle

20. The rationality of the Christian faith

24th August 1999 By Arthur Eedle

21. The first and the lost

28th August 1999 By Arthur Eedle

22. The coming of the Lord

2nd September 1999 By Arthur Eedle

23. “I am coming tomorrow!”

4th September 1999 By Arthur Eedle

24. Living stones for a spiritual temple

7th September 1999 By Arthur Eedle

25. Rosh Hashana – the feast of trumpets

10th September 1999 By Arthur Eedle

26. A Tribute to the Rock-Badger’s Family

14th September 1999 By Arthur Eedle

27. The Cursed Fig Tree

17th September 1999 By Arthur Eedle

28. “Tell me the old, old story”

19th September 1999 By Arthur Eedle

29. A Sovereign Work

22nd September 1999 By Arthur Eedle

30. Today is the Secret of Tomorrow

24th September 1999 By Arthur Eedle

31. Neatly Packaged Boxes and Illuminated Signposts

1st October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

32. “In danger of hell fire”

3rd October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

33. The Silent Witness

5th October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

34. The Lesson of Amos

8th October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

35. The Great Tribulation

11th October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

36. “Until”

14th October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

37. The Unnerving Power of Tradition

18th October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

37a. The Explorer

19th October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

38. The Dart Family

22nd October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

39. “Nothing new under the Sun”

31st October 1999 By Arthur Eedle

40. “When the Stars begin to fall”

1st November 1999 By Arthur Eedle

41. The Coming of the Christ

3rd November 1999 By Arthur Eedle

42. “Like unto Moses.”

6th November 1999 By Arthur Eedle

43. “Sweet Revenge!”

7th November 1999 By Arthur Eedle

44. The Second Coming

14th November 1999 By Arthur Eedle

45. Forgiveness & Punishment

23rd November 1999 By Arthur Eedle

47. The Pattern and Purpose of the Cherubim

2nd December 1999 By Arthur Eedle

48. The Unforgivable Sin

4th December 1999 By Arthur Eedle

49. Japhah, the Beautiful One

5th December 1999 By Arthur Eedle

50. Resurrection by Judgement

11th December 1999 By Arthur Eedle

51. “The Saviour of Mankind”

17th December 1999 By Arthur Eedle

52. “Bad Associations corrupt Good Customs”

29th December 1999 By Arthur Eedle

53. Fingerprints and Irises

2nd January 2000 By Arthur Eedle

54. Cats, Dogs and Philodendrons

4th January 2000 By Arthur Eedle

55. The Second Eve

15th January 2000 By Arthur Eedle

56. The Illuminati

22nd January 2000 By Arthur Eedle

57. The Dark Day of May 19th 1780

24th January 2000 By Arthur Eedle

58. Hidden Significances

26th January 2000 By Arthur Eedle

59. “Before”

5th February 2000 By Arthur Eedle

60. When “shall” becomes “will”

10th February 2000 By Arthur Eedle

61. The Death of the Husband

13th February 2000 By Arthur Eedle

63. St. Paul the Abortion

25th February 2000 By Arthur Eedle

64. The Moral Dilemma

27th February 2000 By Arthur Eedle

65. The Moral Dilemma. A Personal Answer

1st March 2000 By Arthur Eedle

66. The Moral Dilemma. A Second Answer

4th March 2000 By Arthur Eedle

67. The Joy of our Salvation

11th March 2000 By Arthur Eedle

68. The love of God

16th March 2000 By Arthur Eedle

69. The Windows of the Soul

28th March 2000 By Arthur Eedle

70. Vision & Prophecy

2nd April 2000 By Arthur Eedle

71. Confusion

12th April 2000 By Arthur Eedle

72. Creation’s Vanity

18th April 2000 By Arthur Eedle

73. “Friend, move up higher!”

2nd May 2000 By Arthur Eedle

74. The Last Generation

25th May 2000 By Arthur Eedle

75. The House of the Soul

29th May 2000 By Arthur Eedle

76. The Opening of the Sheath

1st June 2000 By Arthur Eedle

77. Possession

2nd June 2000 By Arthur Eedle

78. Ancestral Bondage

5th June 2000 By Arthur Eedle

79. The State of the Dead

7th June 2000 By Arthur Eedle

80. Professor William Barclay

10th June 2000 By Arthur Eedle

81. The Unacceptable Face of Universalism

12th June 2000 By Arthur Eedle

82. No Escape from the Fire

21st June 2000 By Arthur Eedle

83. My Help

22nd June 2000 By Arthur Eedle

84. Our Stories

27th June 2000 By Arthur Eedle

85. Filling up that which is lacking

9th July 2000 By Arthur Eedle

86. Road Rage

15th July 2000 By Arthur Eedle

87. Immanuel

19th July 2000 By Arthur Eedle

88. Daughters of Thunder

27th July 2000 By Arthur Eedle

89. Casting off all Restraint

1st August 2000 By Arthur Eedle

90. Food, glorious Food!

3rd August 2000 By Arthur Eedle

91. The Kindly Laws of the Old Testament

7th August 2000 By Arthur Eedle

92. Resurrection

2nd September 2000 By Arthur Eedle

93. More about Resurrection

15th September 2000 By Arthur Eedle

94. “With what body do they come?”

22nd September 2000 By Arthur Eedle

95. One Helluva Hole

9th October 2000 By Arthur Eedle

96. A Whale of a Tale

10th October 2000 By Arthur Eedle

97. The Hallelujah Chorus

11th October 2000 By Arthur Eedle

98. “It never even entered my mind.”

16th October 2000 By Arthur Eedle

99. A Passionate Plea for Truth

18th October 2000 By Arthur Eedle

100. Warfare in the Heavenlies

20th October 2000 By Arthur Eedle

101. “The Lamb and Flag”

27th October 2000 By Arthur Eedle

102. Souls of men

1st November 2000 By Arthur Eedle

103. Sacrifice

4th November 2000 By Arthur Eedle

106. For whom did Christ die?

16th December 2000 By Arthur Eedle

107. “I cannot tell . . . but this I know.”

18th December 2000 By Arthur Eedle

108. The Great Cloud of Witnesses

19th December 2000 By Arthur Eedle

109. The law of circularity

10th January 2001 By Arthur Eedle

110. James Relly & John Murray

13th January 2001 By Arthur Eedle

Article Series

  • All our Yesterdays (30)
  • Before He comes (13)
  • God's Spoken Word (37)
  • Mysteries of Science & Faith (8)
  • New Series (101)
  • Newsletter (3)
  • Original Series (109)
  • Prophecy considerations (5)
  • Recognising the Hand of Judgment (33)
  • Resurrection and Change (16)
  • Seekers Corner (14)
  • Simple Statements on Serious Subjects (6)
  • The City of God (18)
  • The Millennial Octave (23)
  • The Restitution Times (22)
  • The Song of Solomon (6)
  • The Standard (19)
  • The Wayside Pulpit (107)
  • The Wayside Pulpit 2015 (96)
  • The Wellspring (101)
  • The Wellspring 2017 (55)

Index of Topics

Arthur & Rosalind Eedle's Personal Testimonies Discipleship Expository Items Good and Evil Human Pre-Existance Jane Leade. Philadelphian Numerology in the Bible Quotations from other Authors Resurrection and the Change Ron Wyatt. Archaeology Science Topics The Kingdom of God the Millennium and the Return of Christ The Sabbath Day Universal Reconcilliation

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